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years and several elections, donald trump has told americans that mail-in voting is rigged. but tonight he's making like nirvana and saying never mind the president and his campaign have announced a new program and it's aimed at promoting mail-in absentee voting along with her really in-person voting. now, that is quite the contrast to what trump has been peddling for the better part of a decade everyone knows mail-in ballots are a disaster. >> we must eliminate the absurdity of mass mail-in voting universal mail-in voting is going to be catastrophic. you look at some of the corruption having to do with the universal mail-in voting. they know it's going to be fraudulent. this is the greatest ganim in the history of politics, is going to make our country a laughing stock all over the world. we must return to the historical norm a voting in person on election day. we should eliminate the

insanity of mass and very corrupt mail-in voting, mail-in university so it's very, very bad. you automatically fraud. it's a disgrace surprise. >> that's a disgrace that piece. now, counting on and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live will start right now. >> the verdict may have been against donald trump, but some images gop are now trying to put attorney general merrick garland on a kind of trial. >> and we're just minutes away from the us mexico border, shutting down the new executive order from the president. >> but it's not all smooth sailing within his own party. you know that, right? >> plus a mysterious bribe in a federal fraud job, it sounds like it's trait at a hollywood $120,000 in cash left at a juror is home with a message acquit and get even more the store free tonight.

>> and laura coates live it's been. nearly a week now since a jury of 12 quick and trump of 34 counts of falsifying business records. >> and from the looks of it, donald trump, so-called revenge tour. well, it's well underway. his republican allies on the hill are saying that they are going to stall business in the senate. they're going to launch new investigations and the legal cases surrounding trump and even consider cutting funding to states like new york. now it's all talk for now for the power of the purse. we all know in congress is very real to you. republicans took their anger out on this man, the attorney general merrick garland, who for several hours, probably the longest hours you spend in a long time you did their claims that the doj is being weaponized against trump. their most popular conspiracy theory? well, the baseless accusation that the doj sent

and directed one of its top deputies, a man by the name was matthew colangelo to join the manhattan da's office and their case again, so much now, if you had his name on your bingo board congratulations but you had no problem dispatching matthew colangelo's. >> how is it that a man matthew colangelo's communications with mr. colangelo's mr. attorney general. i want to go back to the mr. her collegial questions well, time and time again, they were a swatting at this fly of a claim that the doj had anything to do with the manhattan da's case he tried and my saying it's false, i did not dispatch mr. colangelo's anywhere. they had conspiracy theory is an attack on the judicial process itself. >> now, given the headlines, you might think that garland was actually brought in to testify about the manhattan da's case and conviction, right? >> well, you'd be wrong.

>> he was actually there because republicans want to hold him in contempt for refusing to turn over the audio of the special counsel interview with president biden in the classified data documents case. and we should note nearly a dozen news outlets including this one, cnn have sued for the audio. his reason for not releasing it. well releasing the audio, which she'll cooperation with the department in future investigations joining us now, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, marcus, children's former senior adviser to the bernie sanders 2016 and 2020 presidential campaigns. >> chuck rohde, check and former republican congressman of pennsylvania, charlie dent. so glad to have all of you here. first, let me begin with you here. charlie so i hate to even ask this question. what do you think republicans accomplished or we're trying to accomplish with having him there as really kind of a punching bag well they're trying to sell the ap garland, trying to sell the up the whole

conviction of donald trump. this of course, relates to this investigation with age h2 hunter biden and so i think they're just trying to muddy the waters and by the way, holding attorney general's and contempt is nothing new. i i believe eric holder was held in contempt. i think bill barr was held in contempt by the way, for similar reasons, right? >> idea of asserting executive privilege because they said and often for bill barr was about the idea of not having documents to turn over about the citizenship question on the census. so this has been part of it and they both said they all three have said executive privilege about having these documents out there and they have not been prosecuted. >> it's not a bit at the end of the de as a political matter, i don't think it's going to make a look at difference to anybody. but this is good theater, just about motivating your base, showing your fighting. the distracting way from trump's conviction, trying to move on to a hunter biden i think it's just a big show, but it won't have much impact on the election. >> well, will it have an impact in terms of focusing on the american public sees this and the idea of trying to talk

about the system being weaponized, the doj being under biden it is but not a manhattan da's office. and of course they want the information about the how do you check? they want to have an audio recording two, what we're able to play what biden sounded, lags talking to her. >> they want to be able to make tv commercials like i make every single day. they want to make this very political and today they made the whole thing very political. they knew donald trump raise more money in 24 hours after conviction and he had raised his entire campaign and they'd like to make some of that money when a two by having a big spectacle, they all probably would not want to be a convicted felon, but they want to make a spectacle nonetheless, and they see marjorie taylor greene act in a fool in my opinion, a raising all this money and getting all of the spotlight and they use the opportunity today to kinda do that feed to their bayes, give some red meat to the base, but also say look, we are trying to fight the system, fight the system with us, anybody still like you've ever been wronged, we're fighting for you, which is a false narrative. >> well, how do you how do you combat the narrative? if every time a seed is planted that the government is weaponized or

that the doj has weaponized, and you can say things like you know, what the average voter cannot fact check about colangelo's in that suddenly he would go he would do this because he he was dispatched in some way. and this all really being about a hearing about contempt. i mean, they're trying to muddy the waters enough to say, you can't trust biden and garland, is this effective? >> but i think this is how all congressional hearings play out to some extent you have politicians on the de, sitting there making political points of other questions and you have the witnesses able to public lieber, but those and i thought the attorney general get a good job by highlighting illustrator like points of what the doj is doing to try to protect the institution. we heard attorney general grounds about the institutional lot today. he highlighted the prosecution, for example, of the individual detonated obama sayyed, the alabama attorney already general's office. he highlighted prosecuting people who were threatening michigan election workers. so he is showing that this is not political, it's about protecting democracy here. and i thought by raising those, those clear examples of what the department of justice was doing to protect the institution democracy was maybe not effective for the members

themselves, but there's a bigger audience at play as we talk about the political spectacle and who you're trying to address by making these points trolley. this was obviously legislative body and their job is to legislate and obviously potentially deter problems in the future. have a bureaucratic solution at the ready. >> but garland challenge the very reason why they'd want allege it had a lead us floods are slated purpose to ab is audio. >> listen to what he said in an exchange about why hearing it means you have a legislative purpose. >> listen i've not been shown any reason why audio evidence of demeanor would make a difference in any legislative purposes. and that's exactly what demeanor evidence is witnessing so observing a witness as they testify. and what can be done by this committee is to observe the audio recording of the president testifying to see whether it comports with the transcript or whether it reveals things about his capacity or his veracity or

anything else that comes from his demeanor as he as he is interviewed you're chuckling, is this something that is a legitimate legislative purpose it's dubious, dubious but it's a real good political purpose. >> i mean, that's what this is about. they want, as stated, they want the think they want the audio tape and you can make a lot of good a lot of good commercials out of this, you could get a lot of good audio and really bludgeoned joe biden with it. i think that's what this is all about. i mean, a legislative purpose, there's i mean, you have the transcript means the audio really providing that much more. i doubted, but let's grape politics. >> do you think that biden camp should be pushing back so hard on it? i mean, obviously this is the second of privilege being asserted, but then there's merrick garland, a separate, obviously entity. >> but is it useful for biden to have this pushback? because the commercials cetera anytime democrats are pushing back, it's good thing because democrats are seen as weak and lots of focus groups just because joe biden has are later because he's an elderly man. luckily, he's running against

a crazy elderly man in our focus groups. so that helps. there's an old saying in texas, it says if you live long enough about having a horse, eventually somebody will buy you a saddle and that yes that's what the republicans are doing that because of social media, because it spreads so much more than when i was a young man running campaigns, it runs more rapid. does that get everybody? no, but it gets enough of the electric, push them over into their corner where we're running to the blue or the red corner were lots of folks in the middle are just left this is part of the traditional accommodations process that goes on between branches of government, congress, and the permanent justice right here is, there's a back-and-forth over evidence we did on the jan. >> six and eight, where there's a back-and-forth but with department of justice and other agencies to collect information. and if you look at the letters outside of the hearings today, it highlights the requests that were made and how doj provided the transcripts. and now you're hearing legal arguements of the audio is just cumulative. it adds nothing to the legislative purpose to the congressman's point but it's a pretty i would say, routine thing for congressional committee to continue to push to get additional information. and, you know, on the other side, if

you're a net at agency, look, there's only so many tools that the congress can use to get that information, whether it'd be the bully pulpit hearing twitter and social media, and maybe contempt are now like you heard the appropriations process, but once you've hit a point where you're not budgeting, this is just a classic civics case of separation of powers and congress not having unlimited power. all that they do have great power the conflict can to collect information for their legislative purpose. >> it just seems though we seem to be trivial utilizing all these sanctions. we've had impeachment of mayorkas over a policy difference members are being routinely centered on the house house floor. i was chair of the ethics. i mean, it just seems that these sanctions don't mean what they used to a contempt is happening. so often i remember harriet myers and karl rove where were held in contempt. >> i mean, it just seems it's just politics anymore and they should be reserved for really serious matters. >> and we just do it every all the time anymore. >> so it sounds like you want to go back to congress about

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biden is hitting the same type of executive authority. it's where president trump to clamp down on illegal crossings. and depending on who you ask really it's either too extreme not enough overtly political, or the only thing that can be done given the circ*mstances. now, here is what it does do requests for asylum get shut down once the average daily number of illegal border crossings hits 2,500, it's above that right now, meaning that this triggers at midnight now when the average number falls below 1,500, you lift the restrictions. now, there are exceptions including unaccompanied minors victims of trafficking, people in medical distress are facing threats to their life and there is one thing for sure. it's a pretty big shift for president biden. remember part of his 2020 campaign? what does hacking trump for some of the very same measures that he is now going to be employing but the border is a very clear political flashpoint at any point, let alone a few months before a

general election. and in an election year, and their efforts to pass legislation to fix it we know have failed biden is laying the blame for that failure on the republican doorstep, who they believe bow to trump. now, while trump is claiming tonight that all of this, it's a political move this is a public relations executive order that it's meaningless. meaningless. he could speak could stop the millions of people coming into our country with one order and won signature. it's all there for him. i did it joining me now, democratic congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas on the oversight committee. she sits and also a member of the progressive caucus. now, obviously, when i hear statements like that, you could stop everything in one order, one thing and stop all crossings there is a bit of comedy involved, but that talking point seems to have a lot of traction and people's thick at this and say, well, if that's true, then why did biden wait, what's your

reaction? listen, immigration is one of the most complicated things that we can talk about. and it's probably one of the reasons that people don't talk about it unless you are going to be someone like trump who's gonna be disingenuous the reality is that the numbers were abysmal under trump. and if i could really turn the page back and remind people that trump was putting children in cages and for everybody this concerned about our money and where money goes. i do want people to understand that we got sued for separating families and we've been paying out your tax dollars because of his failed leadership also wants remind people that trump thought that he could do everything with the pen he he really does believe in being a king of the united states, but we don't have that in the united states. and his pin was consistently getting him in trouble. he was getting shut down. but right now because they continued to push so much misinformation and disinformation and people are frustrated. i do feel like the

president said let me show you all that. i'm willing to do what needs to be done, but we have a real president who has actual experience, who decided that he wanted to get this done legislatively and ultimately, the person that killed it was donald trump. >> so do you support this initiative? and obviously is executive the border which means it's not going to have the same ability and tenure and longevity of a legislative act. would you support that in its current iteration because there are members of the progressive caucus who believe including pramila jayapal earlier today, we thought that this was not the right approach at all. >> i said i'm a lawmaker so i believe in actually making laws, i don't believe that this is an issue that can be fixed. we've had an immigration problem in this country for decades. this isn't something that's new. well, fix this way, or you mean fixed in the short run? i'm saying that we can't fix immigration overnight period it will have to be done in a legislative way, in a very thoughtful way. and even once

we get the legislation, it will not be fixed overnight. nothing happens overnight. but when people are living in a microwave era where they're like listed this is a problem today. i need to fix tomorrow. i think that this will provide some resolve for some people that are concerned and saying immigration is a problem and they'll say the president is trying to do something i had a conversation earlier this morning on sirius xm with congressman byron donalds about the idea of a piecemeal approach to things that, as you say, can't be solved overnight. >> and the analogy we were talking about more broadly was what you can't tell hungry people. i'm sorry, i can't give you a slice. i wanted to give you a loaf when it comes to immigration more broad oddly, do you think that the measures that are enacted right now, even though they are not ideal, they're not going to be fully comprehensive. you talk about, will this actually do a lot in terms of the campaign for president biden because it's very, is viewed very politically. >> i think it will be helpful because what people want to

know is that number, one, they're being heard and we know for sure that people all around this country are concerned about immigration. and number two, that not only do you hear me, but what are you going to do? i just want to provide people with the reality check that this isn't going to fix anything overnight like it's not going to happen that fast will it hopefully provide some relief to those people that are working at the border and trying to process people absolutely. >> because now it's like, well, after 2,500 were shutting things down, we don't have the funds to take care of them. we don't have the funds to hire the staff that is needed because the republicans refuse to do it because their leader, their now 34 count convicted felon leader has told them, do not do this, do not go forward on this legislation that you worked together on a bipartisan way. and i'm going to tell you the truth. >> it was a very separative piece of legislation that they were going to get and that was

because the president understands what it looks like when you're in a divided government. and he was willing to do something that really was pretty conservative i prefer this approach for now because i would rather have a piece of legislation that i think would not be as conservative as what was being proposed was speaking of a divided government, i have to say last time, you and i spoke, it was after a hearing about a potential contempt motion or action against it turned down marrow grow, and he has now appeared in front of the hearing. >> he had a much more confrontational tone, than he normally he has had likely because of the circ*mstances he's under right now. >> how did you think about that hearing? >> and the idea of this narrative that persists, that there is a weaponize doj when it comes to a decision not to hand over the audio that robert hur has taken in terms of president biden and also referencing the manhattan da's trial, which is a totally

separate as empty i'm taking two your to pass to me about it you know lawyer to yes. and the idea that these are the people that are running our country and you don't understand how any of our systems work while they do understand that, but that's the point i would assume that best way do they okay. >> well, you know, telling me i'm not going to necessarily say that they do fully understand, but i do believe that they are the ones that are projecting. they are the ones that are weaponizing our government, the idea that you disagree with what a state is done. and listen, i know everybody was looking forward to georgia. lord knows. i've been rooting for fani and i've been waiting on that georgia case, but this new york case is actually the right one. it is d1 because no matter what happens, trump can't do anything about it. and he doesn't have a governor and a legislature that will change the law to fit him unlike what may have happened in georgia if there was a conviction so i

just wanted to get that out of the way as it relates to merrick garland you know, it is a game and it's sad because they are playing a serious game. i mean, when we were in that hearing, where most people only remember the b6 it's commentary that was made. one of the people on the committee was talking about how we need to jail the attorney general of the united states. now, juxtapose that with the fact that our hearing was taking place at apm because they skipped out on work that day so that they could go hang out in court with trump where they were saying he should not go to jail, where he was being cuz a felonies. and now you're saying you want to jail the aeg literally are the simp simply because of the audio. they don't want the audio for any other purposes than to use it for campaign purposes. that's it. >> the attorney general also found it wanting to figure out a legislative package purpose for having it as opposed to transcript. and here we are 150

or so days away from a general election. and it is a serious game, but hopefully there is some electoral course correction in trying to lower the temperature of everything. jasmine crockett, congresswoman from texas. thank you for joining me as always. >> we've got a lot more including a dramatic de in court for hunter biden. prosecutors using his own words against him by playing audio passages from his memoir describing his addiction. plus a different ongoing federal trial where a juror was offered more than $120,000 in a shocking attempt at a bribe ou

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jury heard from an fbi agent who testimony allowed the prosecution to introduce potentially evidence from that laptop. the way he lifted the delaware repair shop back in 2019, remember that while there were images of drugs, shirtless videos, other evidence that came in from hunter biden's mouth the war. and by the way, it was an audio book version as well that was read by hunter biden himself. and there were harrowing stories of biden's addiction that we're played for this jury for nearly an hour i possessed a new superpower, the ability to find crack and anytown at any time, no matter how familiar to the terrain, it was easy now let's remember that biden is facing three charges in this case. they're not drug cases. two are around a 2018 gun purchase where prosecutors allege that he lied on a federal form saying that he was not an addict at the time of the purchase now that form was

actually put into evidence today. i want to get right to devlin barrett. he's a law enforcement reporter for the washington post and he was in the courtroom today also with me. tim parlatore, a cnn legal commentator, devlin you are the man in the courtroom. in the courthouse is all across this nation from new york not a wilmington, delaware there was a juror who broke out into tears and nearly an hour of listening to a hunter biden through the audio describe sinking into drug addiction. there were some pretty emotional moments for the biden family. tell me about what you saw on that courtroom. >> so i think what struck me was the degree to which the biden family members who are supporting him in this trial, specifically jill biden, the first lady actually by a hunter sister, actually in particular was pretty emotional at times, particularly when listening to her brother's voice talking about his addiction. >> and at one one-point, ashley and her mother, jill, just sort

of, you know, rest of their heads against each other, a very sort of quiet and soft way to console each other a little bit and to me what stood out to me about that is just that there's gonna be a lot of testimony coming forward in the next few days from people who were very close to 100 biden and a lot of that's going to be painful testimony from the family and that's just going to be part of this process. devin, what was the moment that made a juror cried? do you know? >> so cnn's reported that that happened at essentially at a moment when abbe lowell a hunter biden's attorney, was talking about hundred struggles. hunter's addiction. >> so it didn't really stand out as, as a very specific reason i can't point to anything right now. >> but a lot of these jurors said in there jury selection process that they know someone who has struggled with drug addiction there's enough drug abuse in this country that you cannot really probably pick a jury that has no experience with that so i think i think

that paul is going to hang over it and the prosecutor sort of acknowledged that and their opening today hey, by saying, look, we know some of this is going to be sad and depressing and grim, but we have to get there to show you why we think there should be a conviction here ten we bring you in here, speaking of that because we do know i mean, there are 12 jurors, half of them own or have family who own firearms half are touched by drug addiction or alcoholism. >> six jurors are men, five or women. one was already dismissed and there's an altered that's been added when you look at the perception, when you're thinking about picking a jury, would this have an impact in the way you presented a defense in this case, or even the prosecution, but it defense in this case oh, absolutely. >> i mean, these are people that are going to have experienced both with the addiction side, but also with purchasing a firearm and knowing what that's like going through the federal farms licensed dealer and so i think that that's going to that's going to help out a lot. they're going to have some of

these gun owners are going to be of the mind that we have too much regulation and so. i think that that is going to also potentially help them things that they would be raising on appeal some jurors may look at that almost in a jury nullification point of view of i don't want to criminalize somebody for buying a gun so i do think this is a very good jury for the defense. >> now, the prosecution, i mean, they have to prove that biden knowingly lied about being a drug addict when he bought that gun. it's gotta be beyond a reasonable doubt. >> and they have a slim window in which they're focusing on when the gun was in his possession and when he allegedly lied on the form that presents a pretty daunting task to be able to pinpoint addiction, to pinpoint use and pinpoint the allegations that it was knowing is that an insurmountable climb? i think it's very difficult for them because a lot of what they're presenting today, they're talking about addiction from different time period a much wider range of time, and it doesn't matter whether he was addicted or using weeks before weeks after.

>> it's this specific period of time that is the most important additionally. >> and i think it's gonna be very interesting once they get the dealer on the stand because these forms gun owners have filled out these forms many times. i've filled them out myself some dealers are very careful of you, make sure you check all the boxes. you do this carefully i've had some that just ham handed to me. they say put your information at the top, check node to all the questions and it back to me sounds like a larger issue as society frankly, you just describe exactly. >> and then when you take that combined with if the prosecution over overplayed their hand, as far as the addiction piece of it to the point where they are actually undermining his ability to form the criminal intent. that also plays into the defense, devlin to get a sense of what the defense is going to be in this case. >> well, tim talked about it there and i think it's important, it's and you talked about it too. it's the knowingly question. did he

knowingly did he know that he was an addict? that he did he view himself as an addict and drug abuse or when he bought this gun? >> the prosecution argument is you can see from his text messages around that time period that he knew that he was abusing and addicted to drugs as you said, the defense here is basically now you have to you have to look at this point just alone and in this point just alone, he wasn't and that's good. >> that's one of the classic things that jury is going to have to make a determination on what we're going to hear from. >> it seems people who he was in relationship with, people in his past as well are going to be taking the stand there at least on the witness list. this is going to be a quite in-depth examination of that period of his life, devlin. thank you so much, tim. standby, because next, a high-profile federal fraud trial that's been going on for seven weeks. and then it was discovered that someone tried to bribe a juror by shelling going up at their door with more than $120,000 in cash

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jury is was dismissed and a juror was dismissed and replaced with an alternate the question is why because of a bribery attempts. >> now that juror known as juror number 52 told the fbi that a woman rang their doorbell the night before. journals was not home at the time, but a relative answered the door and that's when the woman handed over a gift bag with a curly ribbon. images of flowers and butterflies and told the relative it was a quote present for juror number 52, and that's not all. >> they said. there'll be more if juror number 52 voted to acquit. >> and what was that present? it was $100 bills, $50 bills, and $20 bills? hundred and $20,000 total in cash women knew the jurors name, obviously knew where they live. eight wrap the house. >> even though the fbi says the general public shouldn't actually have had that information but you know, who did have information?

>> counsel for the government counsel for the defense and the seven defendants who are on trial after learning of these allegations, the judge in the case ordered all seven defendants to be held without bond, and then they sequestered the remaining jurors. >> so i ask you again movie or reality. now if you thought reality, you would be right because this happened to a real juror sitting on a real jury deciding a real case in minneapolis, where seven defendants are on trial get to the non-profit feeding. our future that was allegedly used to skim that what quarter of $1 billion. >> i told you about cnn legal commentator tim predatory is back with b now, this reads like a movie for so many reasons, and they're reporting that this a second juror now has been dismissed according to cnn affiliate care in minnesota, that they are learning about the bribe. so what happens now in a case like this, year the prosecution you

don't want to retry this case if you did it fence, what's your deal? >> oh, it's a mess. i mean i'll one hand. you have the jury that's all of a sudden being sequestered and told that it's for their safety. so the jury is definitely going to be so prejudiced against you. but the flip side of it is if you move forward, maybe the jury can get past it. but if you take a mistrial and then retry the case later they're going to figure this thing out. they're going present evidence to the next year, maybe even to this jury about this to show evidence of guilt consciousness of guilt that if you went to go bribe this juror, if they can connect it to one of the defendants. >> that's going to be the important part. >> it's a mess. it's a mess. i mean, have you ever heard anything like this before? i mean, this reads like if you told me this was a movie, i go wouldn't happen, but i suspect you've got a story. >> well, so i came up in new york city learning from all the old mob lawyers and one of my mentors told me a story about he had a trial and the alternate story been dismissed and they found out one of the

jurors have been gotten to and it was deadlocked at that 0.11 to one. so they dismissed the one they went forward to the verdict of 11 to nothing and with first-time ever happened, he goes in the back and the jurors. are the the defendants mad at me. he says, you've got to be the stupidest lawyer ever what do you mean? >> all this whole time? you keep saying they need 12. i need one. they need 12 i need one. i got you one. >> if you told me you needed to, i would've gotten you to that. again, that's not a movement. >> that's true. >> can you do impersonation? i am i am impressed by this. so that's my ababa to think about that actually happened. >> and here you are. this, i mean, dropping off cash. first of all, who is the person we don't know who the who did it, but what happens, the person who dropped off the mare, they now part of the case that the case why they're gonna be the next defendant. i mean, this is some this is an old school gangster stuff right here. this is like the old mob well, you know what tim, next time i have

you on, we're going to do all sorts of impersonation i want everything i want your biggest repertoire ever thank you for joining me. >> it's always great to have you here. >> thank you. up next, the first reparations program in the united states is now under attack by conservative they're filing a lawsuit to end reparations in evanston, illinois. >> so what does it mean for the push to grapple with past termination and the lingering impact of slavery we'll talk about it next sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is share it with you adversary. if his secret is betrayed itself, bullet to the back of the hand, secrets and spies, a nuclear gain sunday at ten on cnn okay. >> play link relief, work play blinking really, the only three and one extended release formula for dry eyes thank row

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going to lawsuit has been filed by a right-wing legal group that wants to kill the program in evanston, illinois reparations program, gibbs out $25,000 to black people who are our direct descendants of evanston residents from 1919 to 1969. >> and living in the city today, it was celebrated when evanston introduced this back in 2021. but judicial watch wants to end the program saying quote, remedying societal discrimination is not a compelling government so i'll interest basically it's not evenson job to fix america's past, but communities across the country are stepping into fulfill one of america's broken promises, compensation for centuries of unpaid labor by people against their will. of course, while under the ownership of others justice evening, the la daily news reported that the la county voted to explore reparations efforts, joining me now, robin ruth simmons, executive director of first repair, a non-profit supporting

reparations policy she was previously an alderman in evenson and helped to create the reparations program. they're also here, dr. sean ray, sociology professor at the university of maryland, and vice president of the american institutes for research. let me begin with you here. robin. so the reparations program in evanston, it is drawn hundreds of applications and applicants and the city is paid out understand, nearly 5 million. what kind of impact? act is this program having on the black community and evenson well, it has brought great hope that our city has said, we will take our first steps towards repair we have, as you mentioned, disbursed nearly $5 around $4.8 million to our elders and our direct descendants. >> and it has, first of all, brought tangible repair in the amount of $25,000 which in most cases have had a great value add with additional programs that have been added to the

reparations. and it has brought a sense of hope, belief place ownership to the black community that we've been building on. and so we started with this $20,000,000 commitment in evanston and we hope to do more. >> yeah, there has been criticism though of the program as i'm sure you have heard, one has been that according to just watch, it's too broad in the lawsuit. they say, quote, at no point in the application process or persons required to present evidence that they or their ancestors experienced housing discrimination or otherwise suffered harm because of an unlawful evanston ordinance policy, or procedure. now, i know you can't comment on this case specifically, but what when you say to people who believed that the bar is just far too low well, i'll say this in 2019 when i call it the question that led to this. >> and not just evenson now, over 100 localities that have taken their step towards reparations i knew we all knew

this day would come. we know that there are other communities that don't believe repair is just and so we have been well-prepared. our legal department has been well prepared for this day. and as you as you stated, i'm not able to make comment, but our legal department and other legal professionals across this nation are ready to defend this case. >> hi brian, dr. russia, and rey, i always value your intellect on matters like this. >> this is not the first area she mentioned to have a program that even discussed evaluated. we saw a map where it's happening all across the country. why do you think programs like this continue to have the backlash, isn't the nuance of well, it's not specific enough or is it broader? >> well, look, i think the backlash is primarily about the group that is going to potentially get some redress or repair as robin said, for these particular programs. so you it's important for americans to realize and even people around the world that the united states is not against

reparations it's only it gets reparations for black people. we've seen reparations for other groups and what thing that we know historically is that in 18, 60 black people's physical bodies was worth 3 billion in that time. that was more than railroads. and also factories put together. when we look at evanston it's actually a todd consummate example where you have an incident red lining chicago and the suburbs is one of the classic examples where we see this around the country. and the targeted program is to specifically deal with housing that is actually what we want. we also have to recognize that this was not that long ago. so part of what we had to look at is there are some people who actually want to roll back time who actually don't want to see america actually fulfill is values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. >> they're strikes me a real difficulty of having someone prove discrimination more broadly we had in the last our programming with abby phillip.

she had on an actor who talked about his own experience of having been denied his rental application, even though he certainly met the economic criteria, he certainly was somebody who was well-known and yet it was tonight and he talked about bigotry being real even to this day. there'll be those who will say anecdotes are not proof of anything. it's difficult to prove discrimination more broadly yeah. >> but look, the research is very, very clear, particularly in housing and the state of maryland. i'm on a state of maryland task four is dealing with appraisals, dealing with home values. we know across the country that if you live in neighboring because at are predominantly black holding all else equal that at that equals about $50,000 less per home. that is real money that actually contributes to the wealth gap between blacks and whites, which is often times ten to one. that also contributes to what happens in the labor market. what happens in commercial real estate. there is sociological for research actually documenting what happens when people into the labor market, when it comes to whether or not a person has

graduated from an ivy league school and not whether or not a person has a criminal record and he goes a key statistic for people when it comes to work. and as it relates to housing or what's happening immunities, research documents that black people without a criminal record, or less likely to get hired for a job than whites, people with a criminal record that is racism, that is systemic racism and it happens in housing when all of a sudden you put up pictures of black people in your home, all of a sudden you're going to get less value for your home. that's why how they tell black homeowners to remove their pitches. everybody knows that i was either i was told that exact thing we were time to sell my mouse as it was the idea of just don't have any evidence or move black dolls or move pictures of your family when they have the walkthroughs, any evidence that there might be a person of color living there? that's a very real thing and people probably are thinking, is that true? yes we go back to our other guests to who's here as well. >> i want to understand in terms of robin, where things stand here because this is not just reparations and service has been targeting dei programs

across the country with several states who are trying to address issues, path of distillation, and a variety of ways that go to a central theme at the reparations program was looking at when you see the attack that's happening there, do you see parallels to what's happening right now in evanston? >> yeah. there's no question. this really doesn't come as any surprise we are looking at the fearless fund, the attacks on affirmative action and voter rights and so on. so this is in the same vein. i also want to note that evanston is looking to address it's arm in the community, we know that we can address the institution of slavery, but what we can do and what we're responsible to do and have made a commitment to do is address ev instance, harm and that specifically has been in the housing space, as was mentioned. and so this does not come as a surprise and it is an attack on the entire movement

and we are looking to fight this. we will fight it. >> other communities will fight it as well. well, the struggle will continue addressing all these issues and seeing how this definitely will play out in the long run. and i think both of you make such really salient points trying to talk about the context and the nuance of what it really at stake and the conversation is simply, i mean, it could never be held in a vacuum, but really important to consider each jurisdiction trying to find that particular way. robin r2 simmons, dr. roshan ray. thank you both so much thank you i want to thank you. all. of course, as well for watching this evening. anderson cooper 360 is coming up next tonight. >> i'll 360 breaking news. the former president launches new york gag order lifted the latest on why and what impact greater freedom to speak out could have on nt

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